I ran across a discussion going on this morning on the Facebook RNC forum. One of our new posters asked:
I have been trying to figure out why people seem to hate republicans mostly young people, its like they all hate Bush and love Clinton/Obama, even when giving facts about what they did.
One of our resident liberals threw down his prime talking points.
Maybe, as a liberal thinker, I can shed a little light on the subject. The comments that follow, will probably help as well.
Liberal don’t “hate” the GOP, but there’s a few things we don’t like.
Republicans come off as greedy.
They seem to mention the bible a lot, but don’t really gay people.
They seem to care more about bombing Iraq, than the schools in America.
They seem to care about abortion more than anything.
They can’t tell the difference between socialism and anything else.
They haven’t travelled much.
They seem to think anyone who works in the arts or similar, is an idiot.
Many seem convinced Obama isn’t America.
They think that Sarah Palin was the best they had to offer.
They seem old and out of touch.
They don’t seem to like the Mexicans or the blacks.
They seem to think that “global Warming” is a hoax, when 95% of scientists don’t.
There’s more, but I need coffee.
So of course, I responded with answers from my Conservative principles:
Stephen did characterize the liberal slant on the GOP. Allow me to respond with the conservative viewpoint. This viewpoint, by the way, has had very little play in recent elections, and I look forward to sharing it with the public as we rebuild the GOP with real conservatives.
“Republicans come off as greedy.”
This is a liberal viewpoint, and it is code for reducing opportunities so that everyone is near some imagined wage parity. Conservatives believe in equal opportunity, not equal results. If results are equal, there is no onus for people to do more than the minimum. Clearly this would not bode well for our future.
“They seem to mention the bible a lot, but don’t really gay people.”
The bible is not overtly mentioned in politics. God is mentioned as the root of protection for our Unalienable Rights. The liberal viewpoint removes God, and puts the State in his place. This untenable path can only lead to the removal of Freedoms and the creation of slavery to the State. Freedoms do not come from the State, and are subject to removal when they are not held above the State.
There is no correlation between the bible and gay people in this discussion of the GOP. You’re lumping arguments together that do not relate specifically. The protection that is called for by Social Conservatives for marriage is related to the protection of the Family unit as the primary morality, and keeping that out of the hands of the State. This is a “States Rights” issue, and should never exist in commands from the Federal level.
“They seem to care more about bombing Iraq, than the schools in America.”
We spend more money per student than anywhere else in the World, yet we have terrible results. The conservative position calls for School Vouchers, so that there is real competition for our children’s education. This will improve the schools tremendously, and remove more power from the liberal agenda which is used to indoctrinate children.
“They seem to care about abortion more than anything.”
Abortion is now, and will always be a hot button issue between left and right. It is used as a scare tactic by the Liberal agenda. In reality, the conservative position says that Abortion is immoral, because it takes life, but is a States rights issue. This is another issue that the federal level has over stepped.
“They can’t tell the difference between socialism and anything else”
Sweeping generalization. I have regularly discussed Collectivism in this forum, in its many forms. Socialism is a part of any political discussion. The question is always how far the individual is willing to go into the ideals of individualism or collectivism. The Conservative position tends much further toward the individualist position.
We believe in individual liberties for all things possible. We prefer legislation only to punish behaviors that have already directly affected another human beings rights. We believe that national security requires a collective response. We believe that trade disputes can and should be settled amicably through a federal mediation process. Those are the only necessary purposes of the Federal government. All other purposes are excess.
“They haven’t travelled much.”
Again, sweeping generalization. I have travelled extensively. I happen to still believe we have it quite a bit better here than anywhere else in the world. It’s always interesting to meet immigrants who have moved here from other countries. Their impression of this place is very different than the socialist, who hopes to move us more in parity with the places that these immigrants come from.
“They seem think anyone who works in the arts or similar, is an idiot.”
I disagree. There is art that is successful, and art that is not. If it is not successful, it is not in my best interest to pay for it. Conservatives believe in the free market for ideas. If your idea is successful, it will pay you well. If it does not, and you still choose to pursue it, that is your choice. It is not a requirement for me to support you.
“Many seem convinced Obama isn’t America”.
I will assume you mean “American”. Obama certainly is NOT America, that, however is a different discussion. Cases were brought before the Supreme court. Those cases were brought forward specifically because our current President Elect has chosen to be secretive with his college transcripts and personal information. This is unprecedented in our history. The Constitution calls for specific requirements to become President. Mr. Obama must provide that information in full, so that it can be vetted in the process. It is in our best interest to ensure that the letter of the Constitution is followed.
“They think that Sarah Palin was the best they had to offer.”
Sarah energized the base better than anyone else in our last election. This does not mean she is the best, or even the top candidate. There are many other conservatives who will do similarly well in energizing the base. First our party needs to remove many of the “RINO” folks who have usurped portions of our party.
“They seem old and out of touch”
I’m 34, a small business owner, a conservative, and I’m using Facebook and Twitter to network with other young, savvy conservatives who want our party to return to core values.
“They don’t seem to like the Mexicans or the blacks.”
Completely false liberal propaganda. Go look at which party tried to keep Slavery around. Go look at which party incites and encourages class warfare.
Having strong borders will improve our national security, and encourage LEGAL immigration. Providing equal opportunities to all will bring up all individuals who take opportunities. Removing liberal social programs that encourage bad behavior will result in fewer people needing the “help” of the social programs, and mean more freedom and a wider and greater group of independent, happier people, regardless of race or color.
“They seem to think that ‘global warming’ is a hoax, when 95% of scientists don’t.”
Man Made Anthropomorphic Global Warming has not been scientifically proven. We have not had a global Temperature increase since 1995. We have cooled every year since then. Scientific thought requires proof for assertions. If 95% of scientists actually agreed as you state, that would mean only 5% is following through on their training in the Scientific method. The fact is, Scientists don’t know, and we are making sweeping and expensive changes that may or may not have any effect whatsoever on the Global Climate.
Conservatives promote and support conservation. This does not mean that we are interested in being bilked for yet another tax on an unproven scientific theory. Carbon Offset Credits are nothing more than a tax on economic activity. The reduction of carbon emmissions are not scientifically proven to modify our Climate, for better or for worse.
How was your coffee, Stephen?
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Posted on December 15th, 2008 by lloyd
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